书籍 Protagoras的封面

Protagoras

Plato

出版时间

1992-06-02

ISBN

9780872200944

评分

★★★★★
书籍介绍

In addition to its interest as one of Plato's most brilliant dramatic masterpieces, the Protagoras presents a vivid picture of the crisis of fifth century Greek thought, in which traditional values and conceptions of humanity were subjected to criticism of the Sophists and to the far more

radical criticism of Socrates. The dialogue deals with many themes which are central to the ethical theories which Plato developed under the influence of Socrates, notably, the nature of human excellence, the relation of knowledge to right conduct, and the place of pleasure in the good life. This

revised edition includes a new Preface and Introduction, as well as numerous changes to the translation and commentary.

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中年苏格拉底的说辞充满了硬而执拗的代换;我更赞同普的看法,即便他被苏说服,这是否是一种入世以及表层理解致使的浅层理性惯性
主要似乎是讨论virtue是否可教以及virtue本身是否是一个整体,苏格拉底认为不可教。许多地方没看懂..尤其是苏格拉底一开始问yes no question就跟不上了,一个事物的反面真的只有一个吗?而且如果只看结论,苏格拉底似乎是说virtue是一种能够衡量pleasure和pain的知识,如果是知识那应该是可教的,所以二人论证到最后得出了对方的观点是对的?而且中间突然开始写对诗的分析和古斯巴达人隐藏哲学的智慧也很奇怪。很喜欢的是,有一段苏格拉底说诡辩家就好像给灵魂提供食物的零售商,他只负责兜售根本不知道他所卖之物对一个人灵魂的影响,而买东西的人你要小心了,因为你是要用灵魂作为器皿承装你买的东西,言外之意,不能什么都听信的!另外,最近一直好奇民族国家背后是否有自然正当呢,还是也是一种规约
看英文版果然没有那么绕了,好评
arguments displaced laughing at the interlocutors and the truth; myth of Prometheus and the distribution of rational arts; circular movements; Socrates' attempted leaving
The gods put Goodness where we have to sweat to get at her. But once you reach the top, She’s as easy to have as she was hard at first.
收录在Cooper编柏拉图全集的译本,核心篇章对照了希腊文看,发现这个本子有些关键词处理得不太好,Taylor的牛津译注本要更可靠、通顺。第一次读,比想象中有意思多了(可以看到苏格拉底是如何解诗的),也发现了很多对论文很有用的材料,填补了一大空缺——看来常读柏拉图全集还是挺有用的。
读的是Jowett译本
配套阅读Nussbaum《善的脆弱性》章四。